Buying vintage tools online

I have been buying vintage tools for quite a few years now – both from vintage tool shows like “Tools of the Trades”, online tool sellers, and even *shock-horror* – eBay. My experiences have been mostly positive – even though some people decry buying tools from eBay.

When buying a vintage tool, the primary concern (excepting the price of course), is its condition. Buying online, tool sellers often have some sort of classification system, e-Bay however is a little trickier. The most commonly used tool rating system was established by Vernon Ward and the Fine Tool Journal (FTJ). Reputable sellers will post multiple photos of the tool, clearly showing any defects, and possibly either describing the defects, or posting them as “for parts or repair”. In a recent eBay post for a Stanley No.62 plane, photos were posted showing the defects associated with the plane, i.e. the pitting on the sole, and the chip in the throat opening, and marking the plane as “for parts or repair” in the posting description (I annotated the figure below). Both these defects are challenging to fix, but the plane still has parts that are usable, and as a show-specimen, the plane isn’t that bad (it sold for close to US$100).

stanley62_chip

Here are some general guidelines for purchasing off eBay:

  • If a tool on eBay seems too expensive, then don’t buy it – remember that you will have to factor in shipping as well.
  • If a tool seems like it is damaged, but isn’t marked as such, query the seller – you can always ask for more pictures to be posted.
  • Be wary of tools where there is only one picture posted, or the picture is low-resolution or blurry.
  • Be wary of posts where the postage is extremely high – except of course if the tool is very heavy.
  • Wait until near the end of an auction before bidding – best to jump in quickly at the end, than have the bidding escalate by putting in an early bid.
  • Check out the average price of the tool elsewhere.

Sometimes you can get a really good bargain on eBay. Other times you really have to read the ad. Here is a case in point. I found this ad for three “antique” block planes – marked as being from circa 1900. The ad made the following statements:

  • “tools are in good condition but have heavy wear due to age and use”
  • “there is surface rust, and peeling paint”
  • “they are all complete with blades and no missing parts”
  • “all levers and knobs work too”

The planes are Stanley No.’s 120, 220, and 18. Now look at a photo of the planes:

stanley_rust

Clearly the tools are not in good condition – the No.220 has a reasonably heavy coat of rust, the knuckle lever-cap on the No.18 has maybe 50% of the nickel plating remaining. The block planes have all their parts, however there is a large piece of the lever cap on the No.220 missing. The No.18 has a patent date of 2013, and a SW (“Sweetheart”) trademark, dating it between 1920 and 1934 (the years the Sweetheart trademark was used). The other two planes are too generic to date properly (i.e. No.110 – 1876-1973; No.220 – 1898-1973). I would likely classify these as Good- (18), Fair (220), Good- (110) according the the FTJ classification system. The asking price was $125  – which is a lot considering the No.18 may be worth between $30-40, and each of the No.120/220 about $10 each (unless they were early types, which they are not).

Note that recently US eBay starting adding “import charges” to their  listings for buyers in Canada – all to “make life easier for the buyer”. The thing is with all the “used” tools I have bought on eBay and had shipped from the US, very few have arrived with import charges. So watch the import fees. Listings from the UK, and other countries don’t seem to add these charges on. One last trick – sometimes there are excellent tools to be had on overseas eBay sites like Germany, France, and the UK. They don’t always show up on the local eBay site – partially because they use different search terms. Search on the eBay website of the particular country you are interested in using the local search term, for example on eBay.fr use the French term for plane – rabot. Then select a tool and copy the eBay item number into the search box of your local eBay. It will tell you if they ship to your country or not. Sometimes there are good bargains to be had. Even better if you can find someone in Europe to ship to as an intermediary – often large collections only ship within Europe. Here’s a real bargain, 40 wooden planes for €90.25 – but they only ship to the European Union.

french_planes

If you still don’t trust eBay, then try one of the online resellers like Liberty Tool Co. (who sell online, but also have three locations in Maine packed with vintage tools), Rose Antique Tools, (online only) or Walt Lane at the The Great Adirondack Tool Co. (online and a store in Johnstown, NY). Walt is great, I bought a Sargent No.306 off him a few years back. His prices are very reasonable, and customer service is excellent.

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3 thoughts on “Buying vintage tools online

  1. Steve Diogo says:

    Reblogged this on ChicagoWoodworker.com and commented:
    Great piece on how to be smart when buying tools on eBay. Personally, I’ve had good luck. But I spend a lot of time watching auctions of tools similar to the one I am seeking before determining exactly what I want and what I’m willing to spend, then even more time waiting till the right one comes up at the right price. There are some non-eBay resources in this post that I hadn’t known about.

  2. Steve Diogo says:

    Great piece. I’ve had OK luck on eBay, but I spend a lot of time researching and watching auctions of similar items before jumping in. Even then, I’ve gotten burned by not noticing what’s not being said in the ad.

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